What a pleasant surprise. Good for you, and good for him.
Now go bake him an apple pie to sit on that bakers rack.
Jeff
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Today my husband surprised me...
by mrsjones5 inyesterday we were getting our van repaired and while that was going on we decided to window shop at a really cool furniture consignment shop.
i saw a baker's rack that was really nice and that i would love to have.
hubby looked at it too and thought it was a nice piece but we had to leave the shop to pick our van.
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Please Do a 13-Word Sentence Describing How You Feel Right Now
by snowbird inright now, i feel lower than a dead dog on flatwoods plantation road.. syl.
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I feel energized by the reading of Dawkins' book and his keen observations!
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My Last Thread
by Maze inmy interest in posting here has deadened lately.
this will likely be my last thread.
initially i participated here because i was interested in sharpening my perception against opposing points of view.
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I really don't understand what these lost souls expect here?
This is after-all, a website mostly occupied by those whom have fled the confines of the bondage offered by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do these apostate-lite's come here believing they will find respect/admiration/love for the religion[s] that have raped and molested them or their children, shunned them or their children, and called them evil names for the mere act of exit?
The delusion sits deeply with these people, doesn't it?
On the other hand, do they expect that we will 'weep' over them like they weep over the loss of a potential convert in their field of illicit evangelizing? Their formal-seeming act of separation from this site is comical to me. I respect those who see a need to move on, get on with life. But when such statement is littered with Ad Hominem and 'nananannahna' with hands over the ears, it speaks to a juvenile intellect.
On the third hand, all are entitled to their opinion of both Jehovah's Witnesses and those who have left Jehovah's Witnesses. If you don't like one group or the other, it would seem apropos to leave that group. But the caveat is this: Probably somewhere in the vicinity of 99+% [by my estimate not by scientific poll of any sort] of those who leave Jehovah's Witnesses - for cause- never return. Never. I would guess that those who make a show of their 'leaving' this site still find themselves compelled in a very high percentage to return, under new Nom de Plumes. There are some irresistible facts/figures/stories/lifelines here.
In a convoluted Terminator quote: "They'll be baaach".
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Of Teapots and the Tooth Fairy
by AK - Jeff in"a friend, an intelligent lapsed jew who observes the sabbath for reasons of cultural solidarity, describes himself as a tooth fairy agnostic.
he will not call himself an atheist because it is in principle impossible to prove a negative.
but "agnostic" on its own might suggest that he though god's existence or non-existence equally likely.
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Gervais makes an excellent point.
When I sit in a group of my friends, and I am the only proclaimed atheist in the group, I feel like I am being asked to prove that God is not real. I have very little interest in seeking to convince them of that - particularly since I know that you can only be convinced by personal investigation/thought on the matter. And it SHOULD be the believer's job to prove that god is real. Yet they rarely provide anything more than some anectdotal 'well, I feeeeeel him in my heart'.
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What DO I think about Glenn Beck?
by AK - Jeff ini think of myself as 'moderate libertarian' if i must attach a lapel card.
and i'm not sure that is entirely the correct one.. i endorse fiscal conservative thinking, believe in limited government, and a strong domestic defense policy.
in these areas, i could find myself in agreement with the talk show host.
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The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38Don't know why I can't paste the graph. But I placed dead center in the Left/Libertarian quadrant [bottom-left]
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What DO I think about Glenn Beck?
by AK - Jeff ini think of myself as 'moderate libertarian' if i must attach a lapel card.
and i'm not sure that is entirely the correct one.. i endorse fiscal conservative thinking, believe in limited government, and a strong domestic defense policy.
in these areas, i could find myself in agreement with the talk show host.
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Ok. There has been some WONDERFUL COMMENTARY and now the thread seems to be DETERIORATING into political bashing, not of the subject, Glenn Beck [which is not really something I endorse, but would be understandable given the topic], but of each other.
On a softer note, I am going back to the last page and looking up that political placement test. I will report it below.
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What DO I think about Glenn Beck?
by AK - Jeff ini think of myself as 'moderate libertarian' if i must attach a lapel card.
and i'm not sure that is entirely the correct one.. i endorse fiscal conservative thinking, believe in limited government, and a strong domestic defense policy.
in these areas, i could find myself in agreement with the talk show host.
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Well, I see I am not alone in finding his style edgy and uncomfortable.
I too get that old 'cultist' in the house feeling when he speaks. His constant rhetoric about storing up food and buying gold makes me believe that his agenda is far more Mormon than Conservative. Maybe, since leaving the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses, I am just uber-sensitive to people who come from where he comes from?
On the other hand, perhaps I am shedding my 'conservative' skin more than I want to accept. I am far from Liberal, but perhaps nearly as far from what passes in the media these days for conservative.
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What DO I think about Glenn Beck?
by AK - Jeff ini think of myself as 'moderate libertarian' if i must attach a lapel card.
and i'm not sure that is entirely the correct one.. i endorse fiscal conservative thinking, believe in limited government, and a strong domestic defense policy.
in these areas, i could find myself in agreement with the talk show host.
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I think of myself as 'Moderate Libertarian' if I must attach a lapel card. And I'm not sure that is entirely the correct one.
I endorse fiscal conservative thinking, believe in limited government, and a strong domestic defense policy. In these areas, I could find myself in agreement with the talk show host. In other areas, my views of gay marriage, God, and faith, I would find myself at complete opposite ends of the continuum with Beck.
Still, even when he is speaking of things I can agree with, I find the man disgusting. I think he is a charlatan, milking his listening audience of their funds and dignity. I find absolutely no reason for instance, that this guy should be planning 'Stand for Courage' demonstration in Israel this summer.
I think he is a circus clown with his constant 'event' mentality. Like he believes himself some sort of modern day Savior to the world. On the other hand, if I listened to the guy earnestly, I might find I agree? What am I missing with this guy? And why does he dredge up a desire to kick him in the hinder-parts every time I see him?
I mean honestly. Please don't turn this into a 'Let's kick Glenn Beck's ass' thread. I am seriously wondering why I feel so conflicted about this guy. Thoughts?
Jeff
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What do you mean by the question?
Are you suggesting that metaphysically God had qualified the actual persons who penned the Bible with sacred revelation of 'truth', therefore rendering it inerrent, literally his Word as if he penned it himself?
That the Bible was actually revealed by Holy Spirit, by interaction with the mind of God literally?
And it was this direct transmittal of God's thoughts and counsel that had influenced a Writ above error?
Or do you just suggest that the Bible is, although 'imperfect by imperfect men' still sterling in its content to the point that historically, prophetically it cannot be shown to be inaccurate on any significant level?
I would answer all the above with a resounding NO!
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The Watchtower, Christianity and Cultism
by Nickolas inif you want to upset a jehovah's witness, refer to the watchtower as a sect.
if you really want to upset a jehovah's witness, refer to the watchtower as a cult.
that's pretty much a conversation stopper.. the watchtower denigrates the rest of christianity.
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JW/Mormon are not wrong about everything, but they deny the core, essential, salvific truths of biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity.
Just opinion! Based on your personal interpretation of 'truths'.
They have a false god and gospel.
Just opinion! Based on your personal interpretation of 'truths'.
If the Bible is not objective divine revelation, I could not say that (except with extreme groups like Jones/Koresh that even atheists would consider false religion). The Church has preserved truth for centuries.
Just opinion! Based on your personal interpretation of 'truths'.
When a new group starts around the interpretation of one uneducated man, red lights should flash.
Just opinion! Based on your personal interpretation of 'truths'.
Stick to your day job. Your arguments are weak.
Same to you. In fact, substitution of opinion for fact is worse than weak. It is emptyheaded. But then, there is little doubt of that as I see your postings here often. You submit to a common religious error, of 'I have the truth, and you can't convince me, because I have the truth' circularity. You cannot define 'truth', for it is indefinable from a religious standpoint. Otherwise all you Christian sorts would believe the same shit, and you obviously don't.
God, it is trying to deal with such idiots.
Jeff